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. tea party 2, the sequel. [ screaming ] oh grover! electric deficit boogaloo. 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ male announcer ] red lobster's crabfest ends soon. hurry in and try five succulent entrees like our tender snow crab paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99. salads, sandwiches, and more. rich, chewy caramel rolled up in smooth milk chocolate. don't forget about that payroll meeting. rolo.get your smooth
with the president and other ceo's to discuss the impending crisis. we even published their own study on the deficit, copies of which are available here today. we look forward to continuing this conversation, keeping the dialogue on going for the next month is critical if we're going to solve this problem -- and we think our panel will be very enlightening in terms of what the issues are. so, al, with that i will turn it over to you and the panel. we look forward to reproductive hour. thank you very much. >> can everybody hear? i welcome you all to bgov -- if you do not know as much about it as you want, i invite you to stay, because it really is a fabulous place. we do have an all-star panel. i will start with my left, which is where bob corker says i always start. tim pawlenty, former governor of minnesota. i wrote that i thought that if he could get the nomination he would have been the strongest republican presidential candidate. i was absolutely right -- we just could not figure out how to get there from here. tim is now the head of the financial services round table, a job he took just about a
. not a driver of the deficit but, hey, cut that. one more specific. preserve the bush-era tax rates for income over $250,000. it's not a tax increase for everybody who earns over $250,000. it's only the income over $250,000 that would get additional taxes if the bush-era rates went away and the president's proposal was passed. but, no, they want to preserve -- totally preserve tax cuts for income over $250,000. they want to preserve the reduced capital gains rate and dividends rate which principally who ben pets, who else, millionaires and billionaires. now -- benefits, who else, millionaires and billionaires. they did have the jay wellington wimpy plan. you remember him? popeye. i will pay you for a hamburger today. unspecified tax loopholes. we will lower the tax rates for the people on the top. but they'll raise over $800 billion. the ability to deduct the interest on their home mortgage, do they want to take that away? probably. got to come from something pretty big. they don't want to touch the billionaire, millionaire job creator class. now, you know, that's a pretty interesting position
of payments deficit remains petroleum, and to increase our g.d.p. by the maximization of these activities in the united states rather than exporting our dollars abroad. so thank you very much and i think we can sit down now or -- yeah. >> thank you. give us a moment to take our seats. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen, our panel discussion is about to begin, featuring senator lamar alexander, senator roy blunt, and our moderator, christine romans. >> can you hear me now? there we go. good morning, rn. -- all right. so i'm a lazy moderator. i've warned everyone. we want to get the ball rolling and talk about this report, talk about the future of energy in this country, and the future of transportation and america's national security with regards to energy. but i want to make sure that all of you know to please jump in. i don't want to ask a question and then ask another question. i want this to be a discussion, and i'll steer it. everyone agree? do we all agree? wonderful. let me start first with fred. nice to see you again. >> good to see you. >> you've heard the findings of the report,
in the house does not work in terms of reducing the deficit. >> congresswoman, we are watching the president on our screen at the business roundtable. there was an issue with the poll microphone for the president's address so they've handed him a different microphone, the leaders inside this room can hear exactly what the president is saying but his audio is too low for us to be able to share it with everybody. we're still working on that. when we see and hear about the fact this two-step plan getting something done for the middle class by the end of the year, does this set up the scenario we live in a perpetual state of fiscal cliff loopness, this is the same old dog and pony show every six months to a year fighting over the same things and not big, bold leadership? >> i hope not, certainly if it's not left up to president obama and congressional democrats. president obama proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction, he has a balanced approach to take care of the middle class and that they have the certainty that they need that we make spending cuts that are significant, that make sense, and
accomplish something. if you go back to before bush tax cuts, three quarters of the deficit is gone. it was supposed to sunset two years ago. when is a good time to let those things sunset? >> you're right, there's never a good time. >> maybe do something with the sequester, but let the tax cuts expire. >> although i have to say at this time it's too much i think in terms of the tax increase. >> we never want any pain. >> you're right. and we do need to get our fiscal house in order. but again, this is why the idea would be to come up with a longer term plan where you could scale some of these things in and you have to come up with a plan that you'll stick to, otherwise you get into this where -- >> we never stick to anything. if we get another deal that is toothless and -- >> the markets will become even more skeptical because we've seen this before. but i have to say two things. i don't necessarily buy into the deal that there's a fiscal slope. i have to say on the tax side, one of the things we keep talking about is the amt. boy, that's something that will -- >> howard goes on an
discussed for more than a year and a half on the campaign trail, $4 trillion of balanced deficit reduction. weight not a real proposal what is john boehner sent to the white house which actually lowered rates for those at the top but asked the middle class to bear the entire burden of deficit reduction. that's not what the american people voted for. i mean if you look at even cnn's exit polls all over this country, upwards of 60, 65% of people voted for balanced deficit reduction, which means asking those at the top to pay their fair share. more people voted for that, the idea of that, then they voted for the president. so we need to look to the american people and look what they want on how to reduce the deficit. we have to do it in a balanced way and fair way. >> but if you look at polling and i know you don't always just go on polling, right, but polling is also -- you ask people what should be cut, 79% say don't cut medicare at all and i think that lots of things, democrats and republicans have said, that is on the table too. you don't always necessarily follow the polls when you liste
is the problem? we cannot raise taxes enough to take care of $1 trillion worth of deficit spending every single year. so let's get off of this and get on to the other side and start talking about what we have to do to cut our spending, to reform those entitlement programs that are the debt drivers and then do pro-growth tax reform that will stimulate the economy, get the money coming in. it's the best way to get money coming in and that gives everybody a job and helps to take care of the fiscal problem and balanced is what we need. >> congresswoman diane black, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in our political power panel. political reporter, karen tumult, karen finney and robert trainam. karen, since i know you the best, i'm going to call you k-fin as not to confuse everyone. it seems the taxes are going to go up on the wealthy. the question is whether or not it's through the tax increases or closing the loopholes and the deductions. so do you think that we are closer to a deal today than yesterday if. >> i do. in that now they're
overwhelming the deficit story was at that point. you know, you look at that administration. the coming in, just no one thought they could do anything. it's not unlike the conversations we're having now. and they went in, they did the deal, president bush had to shift from read my lips to as only he could put it, read my hips. and it was good for the country, it created a political dynamic that cost president bush the election in 1992, and which we're still living, because that gave us grover norquist, et cetera. >> let's get to grover norquist in a minute, but i do have a question. the gop plan consists of $2.2 trillion in savings over a decade. that includes raging the eligibility age for medicare from 65 to 67. and lowering cost of living increases for social security benefits. they also propose overhauling the tax code to generate $800 billion in new revenue. but without raising taxes on the wealthy. in a letter to the president, leading republicans compared their plan to one erskine bowles drew up last year. >> not even close. >> he rejected that connection and the white house, of cou
could not print money, we would be in a very bad way. i just think we need to get this deficit under control. those two wars that we have not paid for need to be paid for. you know, it has to be done. if going off the fiscal cliff means that it will be done, so be it. host: other groups are weighing in on these fiscal cliff talks. here is "the new york times" -- in the "financial times" this morning -- roger altman writing today in "the financial times." president obama will be meeting with several governors today at the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. they will be meeting this morning around 10:00 a.m. eastern time, and then the governors are slated to hold a news conference at around 11:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for more details. washington insiders tackle fiscal cliff policy solutions. the group will hold a roundtable discussion today on the importance of reform to address the nation's debt and deficit spending this event takes place this morning around 8:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for all our coverage of the fiscal cliff talks. we have a web
, congress realized that if they couldn't compromise on a deficit and revenue plan, our economy would crash. turns out they couldn't compromise. so here's what they did. in order to force themselves to work together and compromise, they concocted a catastrophic penalty that would itself crash our economy. brilliant. put it another way. if there is an asteroid headed towards the earth, we made it and fired it at ourselves. because otherwise we would never have done the hard work required to protect ourselves from asteroids. >> good morning. it's friday, november 30th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com, richard wolffe is here. >> he's here? >> my lord. right here on the set. political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. >> hi. >> cute thing. and msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu and former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> he's reading. >> put that down right now. put the smut down. close it up. >> i'm l
deficit and debt. so this, this legislation both accomplishes that goal and still provides an increase in diversity which is what the senator from new york was talking about. and then an additional point is the point that the senator from texas so very clearly made. this legislation passed the house. last time i checked, legislation has to pass the senate and the house. that's a pretty important distinction. going back to the comments of the senator from kentucky. he said hey, if we can't do it all at once because of disagreements, let's start getting done what we can get done. so here is a bill that provides us with -- with people who can help our economy grow, people in the sciences and technology fields that we very much need. it will increase diversity just as the senator from new york said, and it's passed the house. common sense says let's go. let's pass the bill. so we very much want to join with the senator from new york and the senator from delaware and the other sponsors that he referred to, but let's join on something that can actually get done, meaning a bill that passes th
reagan on what social security and medicare have nothing to do with the deficit? have you heard that clip? >> bill: no. i know that's the truth but i haven't heard that clip from ronald reagan. try to find it, dan. yeah. he said it in his day. it was true then. it is true today. >> that's right. he says even if you pull that money, if you took money from them, it wouldn't go to reduce the deficit. so if you can get that clip, i think he was running against bob dole or somebody. i forget who it was. >> in the primary is. >> yeah. we will try to find it. i am interested in that. >> that's the thing with the republicans today even though social security has may nottedy of money if we would stop stealing from it. it's not going to expire anyhow. i mean run out of money until it rungs short of money until something like 2035 and even then, it would pay most of the benefits. it's a non-issue of dealing with the debt crisis. but republicans hate social security. they've always wanted to abolish it ever since the days of franklin roosevelt and they are t
't think any credible economist will tell you we can simply cut our way out of the current deficits and debt. we need new revenues, and where should they come from? should they come from a middle class or working families that have really struggled or had setbacks in the last decade, or should it come from families that have done very well and can be asked to do more? if you look at the prosperity we enjoyed during the clinton administration when the tax rates were higher on upper income families, that certainly didn't kill economic growth. we have incredible economic growth during the clinton years. this same, tired argument that we hear time and time again that any kind of tax increase on anyone will hurt the economy, it isn't borne out by history. >> there are analysts that say both of these proposals are essentially for the base, and na in reality both sides know you'll come to the middle. you have johnny isakson who said earlier there's too much posturing going on here. what is your response that in relation the proposal from the white house and the president as well as from sp
time than next year to work together on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficits. >> white house spokesman jay carney broke new ground declaring today the president does want spending cuts, listed in his budget plan to be included in the fiscal cliff talks. >> hold up the budget and say democrats on capitol hill vote for including the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. that is not what they are doing now. should they include those? >> yes. i think that, and i know that democrats accept that this has to be it, a balanced package, that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> months ago, the budget carney held up was voted down by the entire senate. 99-0. meaning no democratic support. earlier, dick durbin insisted spending cuts from entitlement reform will not be part of the talks while pelosi spell noncommittal whether the cuts will be in the deal. still, the administration is trying to breathe life to the talks, with vice president biden shopping at new costco in washington, picking up a big screen tv and apple pie and insisting he is optimistic of a d
, and their schools. i want to do this by bringing down our deficits in a balanced and responsible way. [applause] >> on this last point, you probably heard a lot of talk in washington and in the media about the deadlines that we're facing on jobs and taxes and investments. this is not some run-of-the-mill debate. this isn't about which political party can come out on top in negotiations. we've got important decisions to make that are going to have a real impact on businesses and families all across the country. our ultimate goal, our long-term goal is to get our long-term deficit under control in a way that is balanced and is fair. that would be good for businesses, for our economy, for future generations. and i believe both parties can and will work together in the coming weeks to get that done. we know how that gets done. we're going to have to raise a little more revenue. we've got to cut out spending we don't need, building on the trillion dollars of spending cuts we've already made. and if we combine those two things, we can create a path where america's paying its bills while still being a
the illusion that deficits can be reduced without getting more revenues. you saw this--this has been there sort of article of faith for many years and it has been the republican orthodoxy back in 2011 when arguing with the debt ceiling and spending cuts and nothing about increased revenues, and boehner said he got 98% of what he wanted. when romney was running for office, there was not a peep until the end of the campaign. he was basically saying we could have a balanced budget amendment. we could cap spending and cut it. so their own colleagues have not told them these last many years that in order to reduce the deficit, you need more revenues, whether that comes from higher rates or higher taxes or getting rid of deductions. so when one of their own says it, it's a shock to the system. >> jennifer: yes, for sure. kerry, do you think that the tea party is going to be able to kill the plan before it gets started? >> you know, it's really the struggle that is going on right now. the speaker put out this plan yesterday that clearly you know is a reversal from where he was at least publicly over t
spending her hard-earned tax dollars like water, running trillion-dollar deficits year after year. she's angry and she has every right to be angry. so what are we going to do about it? lately we've heard a lot of talk about raising revenues, but not nearly enough talk about bringing the federal government down to the right size, about matching spending to the resources we have, about balancing the federal budget. oh, we hear about a balanced approach, but that's just a way of saying we need to increase taxes. actually, we don't need to increase taxes. the best thing we could do would be to not increase taxes. the best thing we can do is to raise revenues by making our economy as healthy and strong as it can be. that means we need to help our businesses grow and hire. that's become way too hard to do in the past couple of years. a businessman in duchess county, new york, said he's going to have to limit the number of employees he has to less than 50 so he won't be subject to penalties under the 2010 health law. so right now the federal government is keeping him from offering jobs. that
him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to really bash boehner from the right. the president needs to take note. he needs to take note. >> give him some running room. >> i'm only saying this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place down. we're not doing a deal. and then newt would call bill clinton up and say, you're pushing me too far. you've got to work with me here. the same thing's happening right now with boehner. >> with boehner. >> the republican -- and when you start stripping people of committee -- committee seats, war breaks out and it gets really -- it happened with us. it's about to happen here. he's got to realize that boehner is his partner. >>
shot down the theory of closing loopholes to cut the deficit saying it's exactly that. a theory. >> it is not possible for us to raise the amount of revenue that's required for a balanced package if all you're relying on is closing deductions and loopholes. it is possible to do theoretically. it is not possible or wise to do as a practical matter. >> the president then threw a left hook warning republicans who think they might be aim able to use the debt ceiling as leverage in future negotiations and saying essentially dream on. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> joining me now from the capitol dome, nbc's luke russert. i don't know, i think that was what we call officially laying the smack down over there at the business roundtable. i was really surprised that the president wen
that if they couldn't compromise on a deficit and revenue plan, our economy would crash. turns out they couldn't compromise. so here's what they did. in order to force themselves to work together and compromise, they concocted a catastrophic penalty that would itself crash our economy. put it another way. if there was an asteroid headed towards the earth, we made it and fired it at ourselves. because otherwise we would never have done the hard work required to protect ourselves from asteroids. >> see, that's one way of looking at it. yes. >>> halle berry's thanksgiving day drama seems to be winding down. progress has been made regarding the holiday fistfight between hallry berry's ex-boyfriend, gabriel aubry, and her current fiance. in a statement, berry's lawyer said she and aubrey have reached an amicable agreement. berry had a restraining order put into effect after that fight to keep aubrey from seeing their 4-year-old daughter. >>> so lindsay lohan, she's done it again, arrested thursday for allegedly punching a woman in the face in a new york city fig nightclub. the woman was visiting fr
for the fanel to advance a deal with democrats to cut deficits but -- >> grover norquist drowns himself in a bathtub. after he hears that. >> he made me do it. >> stephanie: two of the republicans that vote most often against boehner. boehner is trying to control his caucus. >> i'll be really surprised -- >> stephanie: these two guys, whatever their names are they said despite sweeping changes to medicare and medicaid, paul ryan's budget didn't make deep enough cuts to entitlement. those guys. yeah, that wasn't quite mean enough. [ applause ] >> i would be surprised if boehner kept his leadership position in the next congress. >> stephanie: really? >> yeah. because he's not -- >> stephanie: i picture eric cantor rubbing his hands together like snidely whiplash. >> he can't keep the caucus together. the republicans are famous for staying together. he can't keep them together. >> flabbergasted! >> that's doing a bad job. >> stephanie: he's flabbergasted at his own caucus. [mumbling] >> stephanie: by the way doesn't
and there should be the maximum spending cuts possible. i think that is not just true for the affect on the deficit, but because the deficit is being monatized at this point in time through quantitative easing it can result in great h greater inflation down the road. he would have thought this is not a time to raise taxes, this is a time to cut government spending. we don't want to have a larger government deficit and this is the course that would lead to the greatest prosperity in the economy. he would not have agreed that if we go over the fiscal cliff that that would have a negative impact on the economy, he would say rather that by bringing the deficit down, by having the prospect of lower inflation in the future, that will be good for interest rates and that would be good for the economy in the coming years. jenna: what would he say to those american citizens, though, that say, listen, over the fiscal cliff, i'm afraid of that, i don't even want to entertain the possibilities of what that would look like. >> i think when it comes to issues such as the extension of unemployment benefits, social
into the deficit with two minutes left. he throws behind the receiver and moore is there again for another pick. five interceptions on the night for brees, the first time he's ever had five interceptions in a game. his nfl record streak of 54 consecutive games with a touchdown pass also came to an end in this one as the falcons win, 23-13. they can now clinch the division title this weekend if the bucs lose to the broncos. >>> to college football now. louisville facing rutgers for the big east championship and a bcs bowl berth. gary nova drops back and finds brandon coleman who gets past the cardinals' secondary and goes all the way down the line -- sideline untouched for an 85-yard touchdown to give the scarlet knights an early lead. rutgers up four in the third quarter. bridgewater gives the cardinals the lead with the beautiful pass to the back of the end zone. bridgewater leads his team to the 20-17 win despite playing with a broken wrist and a sprained ankle. good lord. cardinals are going to the second-ever bcs bowl game. they lead the big east for the a.c.c. next season. >>> and mika, yo
'm optimistic we'll continue to work together. >> our ultimate goal is an agreement that gets long-term deficit under control in a way that is fair and balanced. >> stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. >> no substantive progress has been made in talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. the white house has to get serious. >> republicans know where we stand. we have said it. we've said it. we've said it so many times. >> i think all of us today are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmastime. >> according to a congressional republican aides who have talked to "the wall street journal," they obtained a copy of the white house prover here in the negotiations. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> eamon javers joins us live from washington. they seem farther apart than ever before. the dow is above 13,000 for the first time in several weeks. do you think the markets are reading comments correctly? >> i do think markets have gotten it wrong a lo
the business community views this deficit thing as the biggest problem that we can solve that we need to solve. there's something called a campaign to fix the debt, which i'm on the steering committee, 120 leading ceos from everything from general electric to jpmorgan on down. really committed to doing something and accepting the idea that revenues have to go up, not ideological about how, but most of all, wanting a big $4 trillion package. and so they have become, in effect, allies of the president. they're really trying to get to the same place. at some point there may be differences over how much entitlements, how much this or that, but right now their interests are aligned, and they both agreed to be friends again. and so they've spent a stream of business ceos into the white house. the president -- yesterday the business roundtable and gave a very warm and accommodating speech. and they are comrades in arms, the least for the time being. >> willie, what a big difference from what we heard from business leaders for the first four years. this is a pretty dramatic shift. >> or even just a fe
of this deficit problem. we are going to need more revenues. in order to do that that start with higher rates for the folk at the top. the reasonien, the reason i say that is not to punish success or go after folk just because they are wealthy. it's a simple proposition that you can't raise enough revenue and if you don't raise enough revenue through closing loopholes abductions, it's going to be middle class families that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings right there. they are both much lower than everyone says we need. all economists say we need a minimum of $4 trillion or greater swing. that means a combining of many things. i think both of them are in
to the entitlement reform portion of this deficit reduction plan. that's politically very tricky, as you know, because a lot of times dealing with entitlements will be construed as cuts to medicare and that's often not very popular. as you can imagine that deal that you just outlined, not received very well by republicans on the hill. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare and medicaid, and social security from imminent bankruptcy. the president's plan when it comes to entitlement reform is just quite frankly a joke so i don't think they're serious about finding a deal. >> so not really good language you're hearing soledad. house speaker john boehner said he found the proposal flabbergasting. he said it's not serious. but you definitely have the white house here and democrats feeling that they have some leverage. they look at polls that show americans are more prepared to blame republicans because of the impasse and also the fact that the consequence
on the side. that was his look back in the day. critics are saying there is a deficit resemblance. i'll let you be the judge of that. this biopic has just been announced as the closing night film for the sundance film festival in january. it's calling the movie, quote, the true story of one of the greatest entrepreneurs in american history which chronicles the defining 30 years of steve jobs' life. it says it's, quote, candid, inspiring and personal. this is actually one of two movies coming out about steve jobs who died just a little over a year ago. aaron sorkin's writing a different movie based on the best-selling biography by walter isaackson. for now, ashton kuchar is the man and christine and zoraida, some people are questioning the casting of ashton as jobs. mostly because he's known for comedy. but you know, he's also famously tech savvy. he got out ahead of the curve on twitter. he now has 13 million followers plus. he's entrepreneurial, too, he has his own movie production company, all kinds of business ventures. maybe it's not so much of a stretch to see ashton as steve jobs. bac
path that only spending cuts will get them to deficit reduction, they can carry on believing that or get to a place where they're going to get re-elected. >> richard, i think the president is offering a great deal to the republicans. here's why. these guys can go home 98% and say, you know what, 98% of you, i got the tax cuts. i didn't raise your taxes. oh, by the way, my base, you wealthy folks over here, look what obama did to you. he raised your taxes. that's only going to infuriate the wealthy even more. the fact here is is that he has given them something they can campaign on plus they can turn around and say, these are his cuts to medicare, not ours. i don't now why they don't take this deal for the good of the country and come back and fight another day. >> to say democrats are not serious about entitlements, $400 billion of cuts to medicare is a cut to entitlements. that's going to mean hardship for seniors. that's a real cut. now, you can pretend like the hospitals are going to swallow all of that cost cut. they're not. they're going to pass that on. that means less
there a long time 1.6 trillion over the next years, cutting the deficit, 1.6 cutting the tax cuts for the wealthiest for americans, and medicare and medicaid and farm subsidies and other, $1 trillion in additional spending cuts that the house, the senate and the white house have already agreed to and then $800,000,000,000 in new spending new revenue from cuts and spending because of ending the war in iraq and in afghanistan. the president's budget is out there. on the republican side, there is nothing. i am going to get back to it. here it is, also guy in the way is boehner. you have heard me say this, that boehner is not a bad guy. i used to think that and if you let him go, he would make a deal. i don't believe that any more. i think boehner is out to -- he doesn't care about the middle class, and his goal is to let this country go over the fiscal cliff because he wants the economy to fail because he wants president obama to fail. john boehner, again, i think the worst speaker ever, it's a time for leadership, not for playing political games. americ
of this is smoke and mirrors. all of this deficit reduction stuff, there isn't any. there aren't any spending cuts. >> greta: while democrats and republicans fight it out, the nation is waiting and waiting and waiting and suffering as they wait. former new york city mayor rudy guiliani joins us. good evening, mayor. >> how will this unravel? >> if you take them at their word, it sounds like the president is anxious to go over the fiscal cliff, and he leaves very little room for republicans to negotiate with him with a 1.7 trillion dollar tax increase, 50 billion more in stimulus spending, and absolutely no expenditure reductions that are going to take place right now. i mean, from the point of view of republicans, you're going to get more spending decreases if you go over the fiscal cliff than if you deal with president obama. >> greta: well, it appears to many in the city that it's politico check mate for the president. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what it means is the taxes will go up on the wealthy, the big earners. it also goes up on the middle class. i assume the middle class will look to
cliff and will it involve significant deficit reduction. the president said i thought twitter was supposed to be fun. where are all of the crazy video. twitter boring. >> gretchen: it is an interesting concept instead of spending time twittering why not go and lead the discussion between the parties. >> steve: or the president went golfing three or four times . it would be great if he went golfing with john boehner. >> gretchen: as hong as they don't ask. here are the headlines. a scare for franky muniz who rose to fame for malkare olm in the middle. >> it is the video . desense -- desensitized to violence. how many have you had. >> gretchen: the 26 year old recovering after suffering from a min i stroke. they are awaiting results. they noticed that nuniz had trouble understanding word and speaking. >> brian: he has to take better care of himself. >> steve: meanwhile, a mother could face crimminal charges if she doesn't bring her daughter back to the hospital. cops are searching for 11 year old emily who suffers from leukemia. her mom removed her iv and snuck her out of the ar
strategies, haven't we, doug, the ways to tackle the debt and deficit. is there any alternative that really exists besides cutting government waste and spending? >> reporter: one potential avenue they could take would be to actually fall off the fiscal cliff. that would necessarily make the difficult choices that congress and white house seem unwilling to make. tom schatz says that congress has a very typical way they approach these kinds of spending cuts. here he is again. >> with overlap and duplication is the proclivity in washington to create a program to solve a problem. something's wrong. we're not doing it right. we're falling behind in science and math. let's create five new programs. that has been the approach. >> reporter: as we speak treasury secretary tim geithner is meeting behind closed doors with the white house point man on congressional affairs with senate majority leader harry reid. perhaps we'll learn more about what kind of spending cuts the democrats are proposing after that meeting is done. jenna, back to you. jenna: we'll talk a little more about that now, doug. thank
backward in terms of negotiations. what the outlying house republican states is $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction. that includes 1.2 trillion in spending cuts. $800 billion in new revenue. optimistic projections. and $200 billion in other measures, such as adjusting the consumer price index. but house republicans say if the president doesn't like this, it's incumbent upon him to offer a plan that can make it through the house and the senate. >> the white house says they want to see the republicans first say that tax rates are going to go up. is there any prospect of a face-to-face meeting between the president and house speaker john boehner in the coming days? and how are they getting along these days? >> reporter: it's unclear how well they're getting along. but speaker boehner did come to the white house for the party at the white house. for the annual congressional party for christmas. but this year, speaker boehner did not pose for a photograph with president obama. that raised some eyebrows certainly. it doesn't seem the two are getting along very well. but at some point, president
task force which like simpson-bowles offered clear-cut steps for cutting the deficit long before we were even talking about the fiscal cliff. former republican senator pete domenici from new mexico joins us now. senator, we just heard from speaker john boehner. it is very theatrical now. we wish everybody would come to the table and get serious. who is kidding who? bipartisanship is kind of a dirty word? >> well, look, i'm not sure that the anti-bipartisanship is what is at work here. i think until you get this down to four or five people, maybe six at the most that can make the decisions, you won't get it resolved. i have been here long enough to go through a very long summit and it ended up after many participants that eight people had settled it and came together at the end and of the eight, three finally made the basic decisions. so we can't tell who's, who's meeting with who but what's going on now, staff are developing different programs for these members, different ideas. this one will cost this much. this one will give this much but, from my standpoint i spent an awful long
. >> reporter: the white house proposal includes $4 trillion in deficit reduction, $400 billion in cuts to entitlement and $50 billion in infrastructure. john boehner said the proposal doesn't go far enough. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. >> reporter: congressman eric cantor agrees. >> that offer is not a serious offer. they are asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reform. >> reporter: house minority leader nancy pelosi says any delay in a compromise is harmful to consumers and the market. >> the country cannot afford nor should we even think in terms of stalemate. >> reporter: pelosi is pushing gop leaders for a vote to extend middle class tax cuts. the senate has approved the extension but republicans object and instead want all of the bush era tax cuts to be extended including those covering people making over $250,000 a year. anthony? >> anna werner. thanks. for more on the consequences of the fiscal cliff we're joined by robert greenstein the founder and president of budget priorities which analyzes propos
the heck they wanted. >> stephanie: they said deficits don't matter. quote dick cheney or whatever. [ whatever ] who can remember. >> who can say. >> stephanie: by the way wow guess who relayed a lot of bad intelligence on tv shows. senator john mccain and lindsey graham. >> i think once they said there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq. >> stephanie: yes, they're accusing susan rice, and their own moment of relaying bad intelligence. in 2003 they made appearances on "meet the press"; "face of a nation" where they said saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. for 1 years we've been playing this game trying to get this man to part with his weapons of mass destruction. mccain on "face of a nation" also made the case for the war based on weapons--wmd, and not being straightforward is a very reckless charge. there is not a doubt in my mind that saddam hussein would give out weapons of mass destruction. so basically wrong wrong wrong about everything. [ buzzer ] possibly even misleading the american people. >> by the way saddam hussein had nothing to do with al quite. with
was in your waiting room. a member of congress was on ahead of me talking about the deficit debate. her press secretary was looking at the tweet feed as the member of congress was talking. they are literally getting a line by line they are literally giving a line by line analysis. i would say to citizens, follow your representative on facebook. it is very authentic. members of congress will look at those comments. we did a webinar during the research, and a staff member said they see 20 or 30 comments on their facebook page, and that is something they will listen to. it is such an authentic medium. you cannot take a youtube video. members of congress really enjoy the interactivity that it provides. not all members are using it, although from what i understand, only about five members of the u.s. senate are not on twitter, and 3 are retiring this year. call me crazy -- i think this twitter thing is going to catch on in congress. people are really using it. it varies in terms of how well they are using it, but we do know they are paying attention. they are looking at the facebook pages. these d
to the deficit. social security should not be on the table. these guys hate social security so much, they want to get rid of social security and medicare so much that everything they put forward has to have cuts in medicare and social security. so that's a nonstarter. the president has said he's not going to touch social security. the president said he's not going to raise the eligibility age for medicare. and the president has also said jay carney said it again yesterday, he's not even going to consider any bill that continues tax rates for the wealthiest of americans. >> he will not sign an extension of the bush era tax cuts for the top 2%. full stop. >> bill: full stop. >> this is what i don't get about this. this is not some new idea. this is not something that obama is you know, pulling out of the clear blue sky. it is something he ran on. this is what the election was about. >> bill: and the people voting. >> overwhelmingly. >> bill: we have to go back to the beginning. these tax cuts were enacted by george
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